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04/2005 Log

This page logs my progress of the Vortex build for the month of April 2005

Date Costs Activity
4/1/2005
$20
Received the 1" intermediate shaft today. I had ordered it from BMI Karts. This is actually a 36" long axle for a go-kart that has a 1/4" keyway cut through the entire length, as it comes it is also threaded on each end. I will be cutting off the threads and making it the desired length, as the pillow blocks will be locking the shaft.

It's funny because I saw these axles (from BMI) being sold on eBay and people were bidding $27-$30, which is higher than if they simply went to their website and ordered it....

$45
Picked up the finished axle from the machine shop, they trued all surfaces after I welded the flanges, as well as turning the OD where the pulley/spacer/brake rotor goes onto.
4/2/2005   Today I drilled the tubing so that I could weld in the plugs. The plugs are essentially round steel tubing that are inserted where ever bolts go through the rectangular tubing, their purpose is to keep the rectangular tubing from crushing from the pressure of the bolt/nut. I had some tubing 3/8 ID x 5/8"OD for where the motor mounts attach onto the subframe, and 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD for where the pillow blocks and swing arm mounts bolt as well.
4/3/2005   I TIG welded all of the plugs into the tubing and then using my mini-mill I milled the welds so that they were flush with the tubing surface, and then chamfered them to remove any burrs. As much as I like to see good TIG welds I needed to do this so that the pillow blocks and swing arm mounts sit flush and true with the surface. You could use a grinder to do this task, but it is easy to not get a perfectly flat surface when grinding.

Then I TIG welded up both sides of the subframe, being careful to ensure that vertical tubing is as close to 90 degrees as possible. The beveled corners saved a lot of work so that I don't have to plug any open tubing ends when done, but make it a little tougher to get exact alignment.

This is where it really pays to have a flat welding table that you can clamp the parts into position so that the parts don't move as you are welding. Heat from welding causes a lot of pressure to 'pull' parts, tack weld all together and then re-check for alignment and squareness, if off once welded your only recourse is to take back apart and fix...

I still have to connect the 2 halves together with some horizontal pieces. I will have to flush grind any welds where these pieces go so that they fit flat.
4/4/2004   All of the bearings and seals arrived this evening, below is a picture of the stainless steel pillow blocks.

For convenience when I mount them I will be putting on 45 degree zerk fittings so that greasing them will be easier. These are not the rubber mount pillow blocks, when I mount them to the frame I will probably put rubber between them and the frame to help dampen vibrations and noise.
4/10/2004  

Completed welding up the engine subframe today, the design is slightly modified from the original plans as I allowed for a similar mounting at the front of the frame as is used in the back. My Vortex chassis was built with this in mind. Will add 2 small vertical supports to the side rails after I dummy up the engine into the frame, my thinking is that I might be able to use them as attachment points for stuff like shifter/clutch cables.

Here is a better picture to show the frame dummied up into the chassis, if you look at the seat back portion you can see the modification. I can put upper as well as lower mounts in, rather than have a single mount that is in the middle, the red arrow shows the modification.
  $124 Picked up the rear tire and had it mounted onto rim. It is a Dunlop SP Sport 8000 high performance tire that has directional rotation so care should be taken to be sure it is mounted with the correct orientation. The tire size is P225/50 ZR15.
4/12/2004   Today I also completed fabricating the rear swing arm assembly, it was a pretty productive weekend!!

I will be using standard style rear axle adjusters, rather than have a fixed mounting point for the rear axle through the swing arm I made some 2" long slots so that I can easily fine tune the adjustment of the drive belt rather than using shims. I feel even though the use of the adjusters is another modification, it will make the alignment of the rear tire *far* easier than using shimming technique mentioned in the plans.

Right now I left additional material onto the ends of the swing arms and will trim back when finished. The plans also call for 2 horizontal tubing braces that go from the side rails to the front tube, after I assemble the rear axle and check for clearances I will add them.

Here are various shots of the swing arm assembly so that you can see better the orientation of all of the parts. When you weld this up be sure to have the shock spacer at the upper bracket bolted in place, if not there will be a pretty good chance not having the bolt holes align up as welding causes parts to pull and move slightly due to the heat! In fact when welding always have the base of the unit clamped down to your welding table as welding all of the other stuff onto it will warp the whole thing and your axle will not end up parallel with the front tube.

I also was able to make up a bunch of the mounting plates to mount the engine subframe onto the chassis as well this weekend.
4/16/2004   Can't do much work this weekend, broke a gear on my mini-mill putting in the 3/4" slots into the swing arm and replacement parts did not come in time for the weekend, so decided see about mounting the engine subframe into the chassis.

Important Note: If you vary from the original plans and use either thicker plywood or more layers of fiberglass mat, then you will need to ensure that the holes are spaced far enough from the corner of the angle iron so that the inside angle iron can receive the matching hole without interfering with putting a nut onto the bolts! Make a test bracket by drilling a piece of angle iron for proper hole placement with 1/8" drill bit, and do not weld on the top plate yet. Place this bracket at the approximate location on the chassis that it will go and drill a test hole into the chassis, put another piece of angle iron on the *inside* of the chassis and using a drill bit mark where the hole will be on the inside angle iron. Remove it and drill to full size, add bolt and nut, if you can get a wrench/socket onto the nut then you are good to go, otherwise you will have to possibly use larger angle iron on the outside and move the holes outward so that there is no interference on the inside angle iron backer.

I did not do this, and as a result will need to remake the above brackets. This is not such a bad thing - read on.
4/17/2004   I have concerns about the diameter of the bolts that are used to attach engine subframe brackets through the chassis, I could not find any 1/4" countersunk bolts that were of a high quality, could only find either 316 stainless or non-graded bolts. So I did some destructive tests, I bought some 316 stainless and some grade 8 bolts, in both 1/4" and 5/16" sizes as well as matching nuts.

Using a torque wrench I tightened the nuts until either the nut or the bolt broke.
Here are my results:

Bolt Size Material Torque Limit
1/4"
316 stainless
15 ft/lbs
1/4"
alloy steel grade 8
20 ft/lbs
5/16"
316 stainless
40 ft/lbs
5/16"
alloy steel grade 8
55 ft/lbs
3/8" alloy steel grade 8
not tested

Now I understand that by putting in a bunch of 1/4" bolts that cumulatively they give you strength, but my butt literally is on the line here and I am uneasy about using them as they hold in the engine subframe and that holds the rear swing arm. When the tire either hits a bump or pothole all that energy is transferred to the chassis through these bolts. Paranoid me will be using 3/8" grade 8 bolts/nuts all around, also including the front subframe for the same reasons.

I estimate that I will be torqueing the 3/8" bolts & nuts between 40-50 ft/lbs.

So I decided to rework the brackets that I made last week, actually I will scrap what I made and start over. What I will end up with is on each bracket there will be 2 3/8" bolts on the horizontal and 2 (or 3) 3/8" bolts on the vertical surface (2 on the vertical surface would probably suffice...) The horizontal holes are staggered from the vertical holes and the bolts will have the head cut off and welded. 5/16" bolts would probably be fine here but as long as I am doing it I will error on the larger size.

Here is a quick drawing so that you can understand what I will end up with (drawing does not include top plate that bolts to the engine subframe so that I do not infringe on any copyrights, only the bracket is shown for clarity).

If you go this route, before you weld the studs into the angle iron, drill the chassis where these studs will go so that you get proper placement of the holes and drill the chassis. Next put the angle iron inside the chassis and mark/drill these holes as well. Next weld the studs in place in the bracket and flush grid them. After cooling you can can treat studs with lock-tight, assemble the bracket along with inside angle onto the vehicle insert washers/nuts and tighten. Finally drill the remaining 3 top holes and add the remaining bolts.

In addition a couple of people on the Vortex Yahoo discussion group have mentioned about using epoxy in the bolt holes that go into the chassis when you insert the bolts, the epoxy will harden and reinforce the hole. To be most effective you would have to drill the holes in the chassis slightly oversized so that the epoxy forms a tube around the bolt.

Completed the 2 mounting brackets that mount the swing arm to the engine subframe, but forgot to reference the plan sheet and incorrectly located the gussets, too close of course. I had forgotten and in my mind the the brackets were inverted, but the side with the gussets go towards the inside, not outside and there needs to be clearance for the front tube of the swing arm.

Falling a bit behind my original optimistic schedule, looks like slim chance that it will be rolling by the end of this month... I may have to work some week day evenings to make up for lost time.
4/18/2004
$11.22
$7.00
$5.64
$1.38
$5.97
Needed a small quantity of stuff so went to local hardware store (compare prices with below @ Enco!).
6 - 1/2" x 3" grade 8 bolts for pillow blocks
4 - 1/2" x 2-1/2" grade 8 bolts for swing arm mounting brackets
10 - 1/2" grade 8 split washers and nuts
2 - 4" pvc test caps
1 - tube of locktite
4/19/2004   I will be needing a fair amount of 3/8" x 2" grade 8 bolts for mounting the rear subframe as well as the front subframes, rather than going to local hardware store the cheapest way to purchase them is through a company named Enco. They have fantastic prices on lots of stuff, online ordering and they also ship real fast! Below are items ordered:
  $20.99
$16.15
$1.36
$4.87
$2.45
4" hole saw with fixed arbor
100 - 3/8" x 2" grade 8 bolts
100 - 3/8" grade 8 split washers
100 - 3/8" grade 8 nuts
100 - 3/8" sae flat washers
    Tonight I found some 3" x 4" x 3/16" angle iron in my shop that I cut down to use for the brackets that hold the rear swing arm (rather than welding 2 plates together). Recently I purchased a plasma unit and got the opportunity to cut the profile with it. Very cool - literally! I made a template out of 1/4" plywood the shape that I wanted and used it as a guide for the tip of the plasma torch. The plasma basically is instant on so there is no preheating of the steel so what you are cutting stays far cooler than if using a conventional oxyacetylene torch. Did not weld on the gussets yet, but this time will be more careful about placement!

When I welded up the engine subframe I put in plugs that can take 1/2" bolts for holding these brackets on instead of 3/8" bolts. So the slots in the brackets will be made to accommodate the larger size, that is after I get the new gears into my mini-mill. Got the head all stripped down, I just have to find a local place that has a hydraulic press to remove gears from the quill shaft.

Also checked to see how the races for the axle bearings fit and it appears that they might be a little too tight. Will have to bring axle back to machine shop to open up the holes a little bit. In the plans it mentions that if they are too tight that the axle will expand slightly (from pressing the bearings) and it would cause problems with sliding on the rear pulley/spacer as they are a slip fit to help ensure that they run con-centric with the axle.
4/20/2004   Somehow I broke the links a little while back from my main log page to the individual months logs. I just discovered it today and fixed it - sorry...
  $3.84
$3.50
$.50
$.50
2 - 3/4"-16 castle nuts for rear axle
2 - 5/8"-18 castle nuts for intermediate shaft
2 - 3/4" washers (zinc plated)
2 - 5/8" washers (zinc plated)
4/22/2004 $1500
$200
1994 Honda VFR750 motorcycle engine complete with cooler, radiator, carbs, airbox, wiring, etc.
exhaust headers for above.

Recently I found this engine for sale @ VFRWorld website in their classified section. After researching these 90 degree V-4 style engines I was pretty impressed, and they are a bit more compact than the inline side to side 4 cylinder style engines. In 1998 they added fuel injection and also came out with an 800cc version and I believe that around 2001 they put out a 1000cc version of this engine.

As luck would have it the hookup for the speedometer is coupled to the drive sprocket on the engine and not the front-fork of the bike. There is a good chance that I can take advantage of this, might need to change the ratio - but it is a good start!

I will be driving to Kentucky to pick the engine up today.

It turns out that the guys that I got the motorcycle engine from, acquire wrecked motorcycles and they typically disassemble them and parts them out. They had a half-dozen motorcycles at the time that I stopped by of various makes and sizes. Check out my links page for contact information for Kentucky Cycles.

Here are the engine specs courtesy of VFRWorld:

Engine Type
748cm Liquid cooled 4 stroke 16 valve DOHC 90 V-4
Bore and Stroke
70mm x 48.6mm
Compression Ratio
11:0:1
Valve Train
DOHC - 4 valves per cylinder
Carburetion
Four 34mm slanted flat-slide VP type
Ignition
Digital transistorized w/ electronic advance
Transmission
Close-ratio six-speed
Horsepower
94.5 @ 9750 rpm
Redline
11,500 rpm

Here is chart that shows torque and horsepower for a number of years courtesy of Texas VFR Garage:

4/23/2004   Today I got all of the old gears pressed off and pressed on new ones. I have been abusing the mini-mill recently, will be babying it from now on due the hassle factor of replacing gearing...

Finished up the brackets for mounting the swing arm onto the engine subframe today, making sure that I allowed enough room to clear the round front tube of the swing arm. Below is picture of them.

Had to tweak the aluminum bearing supports for the front of the swing arm as the diameters were too large to press into the front tube. Using my mini-lathe I took the diameters down about .005" and put a chamfer on the ends to help start pressing them into the tubes. Then I pressed them into the tube ends and wished that I had taken them down another couple of thousandths as they were still pretty tight, possibly due to welding onto the tube and distorting it a bit. I do not have a large hydraulic press so had to do it the old fashioned way, using blocks of wood and a large hammer... It works but being as tight as they were it took some time to get them seated all of the way.
4/24/2004   My goal for today was to get the engine subframe brackets onto the chassis and slide in place the engine subframe. I have yet to make the brackets for mounting the front of the engine frame. There will be 2 of them and will each be the full width angle iron on top and bottom, with 2 mounting plates on each.

Got the 1" intermediate shaft cut to length, and mounted the pillow blocks with the shaft in place. I will be needing to put about .025" of shim material behind the middle pillow block as it is next to impossible to get all 3 pillars perfectly aligned when welding.

I finished up 4 of the mounting brackets to mount the engine subframe, I was able to rework the old ones by cutting off a section and welding/flush grinding some extensions both on the top and the side. I redrilled the brackets to accommodate 2 3/8" bolts on the top and 2 3/8" studs on the sides. After locating all of the mounting holes on the chassis, I took the brackets and TIG welded the 3/8" studs into place using a quick fixture to help hold things in place, then flush ground the weld. Here is a shot of a couple of them. Since I am using 3/8" bolts I decided that 2 on top would suffice.

Next I cut the pieces of angle iron for the inside supports, numbered them and the brackets so that I would know which are pairs. Then holding the inside angle iron in place I used a 3/8" drill bit to mark where the inside holes go, then removed them and drilled them slightly oversized on the mini-mill. Put them back in the chassis and bolted to the fixed studs on the brackets. With brackets held tightly in place drill the remaining holes on top and bottom through the chassis and inside angle iron.

A slight problem became evident as 2 opposing corners of the subframe were hitting the mounting brackets, so removed them and took a grinder to the fiberglass area behind them so that they would provide more clearance. There was quite a bit of glass around these corners due to all of the overlapping layers of glass from both directions. After some judicious grinding the brackets were replaced and the engine subframe slid in with about 1/32" of clearance...

I guess the moral of the story is to ensure that when you build the engine subframe be sure to allow for a bit more clearance. In measuring I think that I tried to allow for a total of 3/8", which would make each side have 3/16" clearance. Taking into mind that the brackets are made from 1/8" material that only left 1/16" on each side. Due to slight variances from the glassing operation you probably should shoot for 1/2" total clearance. Be aware that this dimension affects the width of the front tube of the swing arm - and any variation from the plan sets for the width of the engine subframe also need to be carried into the swing arm!!!

Here is a shot of the swing arm dummied up to the engine subframe.
4/25/2005   I got my rear axle back, properly resized for the cones of the tapered roller bearings, packed the bearings with grease, got them inserted along with the seals. I noticed a slight problem with the swing arm when I went to put the axle in place, it appears that since I had not put in the additional side supports yet that as the metal cooled from welding that the side bars had pulled together slightly.

This is not a problem as I will make a wood spacer slightly wider than the desired inside dimension, and insert it before I weld in the 2 side braces. This way when the swing arm cools it will be slightly wider than needed in the back, making installation of the rear axle easier.

It is better to have it slightly wider because they can be pulled together when you tighten the nuts on the axle, if too narrow it would make it difficult to spread so that the axle can be put into position.
4/27/2005 $45 Today I received 2 - 9" wide steel fenders that I purchased on eBay. I had priced out 10-12" wide motorcycle fenders and they are pretty pricey - $200 and upwards. It looked like the main difference between trailer and motorcycle fenders is that the motorcycle ones have more steel along the sides to deflect weather better, don't see it as a problem with the Vortex though...

The ones that I got were originally meant for a trailer but I will either splice them together or split one and fabricate a 'filler strip' to make it the desired width. I had also seen some fiberglass fenders on eBay but opted for the steel ones. If you are not able to weld steel then the fiberglass ones might be a good compromise.

Here is a picture of one of the fenders (before modification).
4/29/2005 $66.60 Recently on Vortex discussion group, one of the members (Dean Baker) suggested using a wheelchair motor for the reverse gear. So searched eBay again and found a pair of gearmotors. Once I get them I can hopefully see if I can make them work for my reverse application, will need to engineer a way to mount them and a way to engage/disengage them. Also will need a way to control speed and use some safety switches to cut them out if depress brake pedal, and detect if in neutral as well.

By having both of them I can use the one that orients itself better since each of them turn in the opposite direction. They are 24v units and I will either run them off a single 12v battery or add a second 12v battery if necessary, will have to see how they work on 12v first.

Here is a picture of them:

Last night I did some quick calculations pertaining to reverse gearing and this is what I came up with:

Rear pulleys for the Vortex are between 64-71 teeth, the pulley on the intermediate shaft is between 31-34 teeth. This means that the intermediate shaft will rotate approximately 2:1 with the rear tire.

It would seem appropriate that a reasonable reverse speed would be about 2 ft/second. With the circumference of the rear tire being about 75" (24" diameter x PI) then the rear tire would have to turn about 1 rotation every 3 seconds. Translating that back to the intermediate shaft then would have to turn about 2 times every 3 seconds or 40rpm.

With a gear motor for a wheelchair that has a full load rpm of about 145rpm, you would therefore have to reduce it using a 3:1 pulley to the intermediate shaft. This would give you the desired maximum speed, if you used a pulsed width modulated (PWM) controller you could efficiently control the speed, from very slow up to the max speed allowed by the motor.

It would appear that a lot of the controllers used on wheelchairs are PWM.
4/30/2005   I completed the swing arm by welding in the side braces I made sure that there was at least 1" clearance for the rear tire. I did not put any brackets on yet for the fender, after I complete splicing the 2 halves together I will trial fit it and then install them to get a good fit.

Also fabricated the rear shock brackets, drilled them and welded onto the engine subframe this weekend. I bolted the brackets onto the shock to ensure correct spacing and to maintain hole alignment while welding. It turns out that the shock is 7/8" wide and not 3/4" wide so will have to make another aluminum spacer for the shock mount on the rear swing arm.

Once all brackets were installed for the engine subframe, I located where the mounting holes were on the subframe, drilled, plugged, welded and ground all flush. There really is a *lot* of work that goes into the engine subframe, there is a lot of detail work (namely the 14 plugs) that are necessary so that the tubing does not crush.

I also cut out all of the mounting brackets for the lower control arms for the front suspension and the brackets for the front trunk lid. In addition I fabricated the front brackets for the engine subframe and got them installed.
Month
12/2004
1/2005
2/2005
3/2005
4/2005
5/2005
6/2005
7/2005
8/2005
9/2005
10/2005
11/2005
Costs
$1238.00
380.00
218.50
1487.37
2115.97
445.33
321.94
636.39
(67.00)
103.00
0.00
12.00

Month
12/2005
1/2006
2/2006
3/2006
4/2006
5/2006
6/2006
7/2006
8/2006
9/2006
10/2006
11/2006
Costs
$501.38
555.70
648.26
315.90
356.84
410.00
479.65
187.93
1113.53
503.78
1445.80
83.60

Month
12/2006
1/2007
2/2007
3/2007
4/2007
5/2007
Costs
$763.86
119.85
199.10
288.66
119.40
239.00
Basic Project Done


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