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06/2005 Log

This page logs my progress of the Vortex build for the month of June 2005

Date Costs Activity
6/01/2005  

It turns out that I have to modify one exhaust tube after all. The engine was not level when I took the picture below and once I leveled it off the tube shown below hit the engine subframe and I will need to reroute the tube back and to the left about 1" to give me the desired clearances/engine position. Still examining it to see how I have to make the cuts to make this as painless as possible...

I will be taking a couple of weeks out to work on other projects that are in need of my attention. Should get back to the serious Vortex construction midway or end of the month. with any luck I should be able to spend some week nights along the way to work on the exhaust mods and the front engine mount during this period of time!
6/02/2005  

I studied the plans to see how the exhaust is routed and it basically just states that it should be located on the passenger side of the vehicle. Looking at the pictures in the plan set *real* closely it would appear that the exhaust pipe comes from the 4-to-1 collector and then snakes between the intermediate shaft and the lower rear tube of the engine subframe. I also looked at Alex Smith's Vortex website and from what I can determine it looks like he might have done the same thing.

This might be more difficult with my engine choice as the collector is more towards the middle of the engine and can be seen just behind the chain in the above photo. After I modify the one exhaust tube I will see about changing the collector so that it sends the exhaust upwards at close to a 90 degree angle and off to the passenger side. Hmmmm - hopefully I will not have to totally revamp the exhaust... This should be a lot easier with an inline 4 cylinder engine - as long as the collector is on the right side!
6/04/2005   Today I received an email from Alex Smith and he confirmed to me that he did in fact route the exhaust pipe through the engine subframe. In addition he is not currently using a muffler/resonator and has basically a straight through pipe with some sort of performance muffler, he also mentioned that when he got the engine he did not have any exhaust so fabricated his entirely! He also noted that his Vortex is loud, actually what he said was that it is "too loud".

I have been perusing through eBay at nights to see if I can pick up an extra exhaust system. I figure that if I can get one cheap enough then between the two sets I should be able to cut/assemble/weld up one that will fit more-better into the area that I have to work with. It should be easier than to try to fabricate up some of the parts from scratch even though I do have a hydraulic tubing bender.

Tubing is typically measured using outside dimensions, while pipe is measured using the inside dimensions. I checked the exhaust tubing for the VFR it appears to be real close to what would be a 1" pipe, so that if I need to 'tweak' some parts the bender will come in handy.
6/05/2005 $144.99 I had been looking for an aluminum fuel cell to put into the front of the vehicle. The area that I had to work with is 21" W, 14" D, 12" H, and I figured that I could fit about a 14 gallon tank into that space.

I contacted a company that would custom make one to my dimensions and they said that it would cost approximately $325.00 plus $65.00 for the sending unit - ouch!

I ended up finding this fuel cell on eBay (where else?). It is an aluminum fuel cell manufactured by RCI, it also came with the 90-ohm sending unit and has the capacity of 12 gallons and it's size is 18 " W, 12 " D, 12" H, so will fit pretty well. The top of it has the sending unit, a #8 outlet, #8 vent and #8 rollover valve as well as the filler. The trade off was a couple of gallons storage for a savings of about $240... I can live with that!

Here are some pictures:

6/6/2005 $36.00 Decided to go with a 1970 Triumph Spitfire dual line master brake cylinder, they are pretty compact and can be gotten pretty reasonably. Whatever master brake cylinder you go with just be sure that it has two outlets, one for the front and one for the rear brakes. Don't use a single line master cylinder! you really want them separate in case of a brake line failure!

I may have to make up a mounting bracket and possibly rebuild it but it is a good start!

6/7/2005 $75.00 Found another complete exhaust system along with muffler from a 94 VFR750 that had 4k miles on it. Now I should have all that I need to rework the exhaust, reroute the exhaust pipes and make better use of space.
6/19/2005   After a short hiatus I am now back to working on the Vortex. Had to complete a couple of other projects that required my time...

Today I built the front engine mount, it is a bit more involved than making the rear mount. The first order of business is to ensure that the engine is level, this will depend on the motor that you are using. If possible seeing the motor in the original bike chassis is preferred as inline 4 cylinder engines typically want the cylinders at a predetermined angle. One thing that may help out is that the oil pan is typically level with the ground, worse case is to remove it and level the engine off in the engine subframe.

In my case since I am using a V-4 engine I had no room to put a cross member behind the headers and instead had to make a front engine mount that more resembles a trailer hitch that would go onto a car. I cut 2 pieces of 3" x 3/16" plate about 8" long and drilled a 1/2" hole where they would bolt onto the engine. Next I tapered and radiused the ends a bit, but on the drivers side I had to remove a bit of material to clear some oil lines. I then bolted these plates onto the motor and leveled them off.

I then made the mounting plates that would be bolted to the engine subframe and put 2" long 7/16" wide slots for adjustment and put them into position. Next I cut out the uprights that go between the mounts and the 3/16" plate cut them, and allowed for a little extra clearance and tack-welded them into position.

I measured the distance between the plates and cut another piece of tubing to fit snugly between the 3/16" plates, leveled it off and squared it, then tack welded it in place. The engine is offset towards the passenger side to help position the drive sprocket so that it would not interfere with the pulley on the intermediate shaft. Here is a rough idea of dimensions:

Lastly I removed the front mount and clamped it to my welding table so that it would not warp and affect the distance between the mounting bolts - you don't want the total distance between them to shrink or stretch!!! Welded the whole thing up and cut off any excess 3/16" plate and radiused all the corners.

Here are some shots of the completed front engine mount.

Here are some shots to show you how it fits onto the front of the engine.

Next order of business will be to modify the rear exhaust tube that is causing interference as well as try to address the exit pipe from the collector to the muffler.
06/20/2005   Received the aluminum fuel cell and it fits really, really, really nice up in the front trunk compartment!
06/21/2005   The last couple of nights I have been modifying the one exhaust tube that is protruding from one of the back cylinders. It is sticking out about 7" from the cylinder head and causing me to have the engine mounted in the engine subframe farther forward than I would like to. I have cut off the offending pipe and in the process of cutting and fitting pieces from the spare exhaust system so that I can move the engine further back and put it into the path of some better airflow (heat can be a major concern for this type of vehicle)

This is pretty time consuming getting all of the angles and mating surfaces as close to perfect as possible. It certainly helps having a metal cutting band saw as well as a 12" bench sanding disc. What you do is to cut the tubing a bit oversize then using the sanding disc slowly and cautiously grind the mating surfaces, you do not want to grind too much at one time - so it is grind a little - test fit, grind a little - test fit and so on until you get absolutely as good a fit up as possible. All of this has to be done with the entire exhaust system on the engine and with the motor mounts in place, otherwise you have a very good chance that it will not fit properly (and have to do it over again...)

I took one of the front slip tubes from the spare exhaust that I have as it appeared to have approximately the bends/angle that I was looking for, another part had a tight bend that I am using to come off of the manifold, and a short piece that goes into the manifold. Ultimately I have to change the angle coming out of the manifold so that it goes to the side by about 1" and bring the pipe closer to the engine by about 1-1/2" so that it parallels the pipe from the adjacent cylinder. Unfortunately I could not just rebend the original pipe as it is too close to the adjacent exhaust pipe.

Last night I think that I finally got the 3 new pieces of tubing cut and fit about as close as I can/dare to, and in the next couple of nights I will tack weld the parts together using my MIG welder and then TIG weld the parts together. When done I will show pictures of the new exhaust tube, below is a picture of the original with an arrow pointing to the offending exhaust pipe:.

When done then I will start on redirecting the collector - that one looks to be even more fun!!
06/22/2005   Last night I took a step back from the exhaust work and decided that I might have been taking the wrong route. Since I had two complete exhaust systems I decided to experiment on the spare. My concern all along is that space was too tight to get a tubing bender in to modify the offending tube and I was worried that putting heat onto the pipe to bend it would crimp it, making the exhaust restricted.

So I took a torch to one of the pipes on the opposite side that I wanted it to bend, figuring that it would be better to stretch the metal than compress it - and possibly cause crimping. It worked pretty good, so much so that I cut the offending tubing, heated it to bend it both to the left by almost 1" for clearance and back toward the engine, I also used one piece that had a tighter bend to connect to the manifold.

It worked pretty well, I got one relatively small crimp - but certainly not too bad. As a friend used to say "It's good enough for who it's for!".

Now I only have a single cut to weld - instead of the previous 3. Got the part tack welded with the exhaust bolted to the engine and then removed it so that tomorrow I can TIG weld it up.

Every once in a while it is good to stand back and evaluate how/why you are doing something, sometimes the obvious isn't!
   

I got an email from Bryce Kindla who stumbled across my web blog, it so happens that he is using a Honda VFR750 in a dune buggy (and doing a *really* nice job at it) and already performed a modification to the collector. He sent me some pictures with details on how he did it. He did a great job and I think that I will be using a similar technique. Here is a picture of his modification where he kicked up the outlet to 45 degrees.

In addition the above picture also shows that he is using a relatively short spark arrester which is tuneable to the engine using baffle plates. He purchased it at Dan's Performance Parts they sell a variety of them from 10" to 18" long, SuperTrapp is a well known manufacturer as well.

After researching the spark arresters it appears that they come in a variety of sizes from 10" - 18", a lot more compact than a typical motorcycle muffler. I think that with the restricted space out the back of the Vortex that this might be a good solution. Once I have the exhaust collector redirected I will figure out the rest.
06/23/2005   I welded up the modified rear pipe and it provides me with the additional 1-1/2" of clearance to move the engine farther back in the subframe. So I bolted the exhaust onto the engine and dropped it back into the vehicle to check how to proceed with the collector modification.

Pretty quickly I noticed a *major* blunder/oversight on my part, I never looked under the vehicle to see how much clearance the exhaust had... Well it appears that the collector stuck out below the vehicle about 2-1/2", with the vehicle clearance being less than 6" it's a problem. (I knew that the V-4 exhaust was going to throw a monkey-wrench into the project!)

The whole problem extends from the way that the stock exhaust 'stacks' 2 of the pipes that go into the collector vertically, thus the bottom pipe is too low for my application. I could raise the engine and remake the mounts but with a 3-wheeler you really want to keep the static weight low so that did not seem like a viable option.

So I stared at the exhaust to see if there were any modifications that I can make to it, and thought of a potential solution. Essentially the entire middle section of the exhaust will be thrown away and replaced with something 'different'.
06/24/2005 $20 Today I brought my exhaust system to a local muffler shop that does bending and custom installations to propose my idea and see what they thought about it.

So as a start they took a length of standard 2" OD exhaust tubing and expanded the end to 3" OD (it's amazing with the right tools to see how much they can stretch metal...) I will be squashing it to make it oval and the front 2 pipes will plumb into it. The rear 2 pipes will combine together and then redirect into the side of the new collector,. As a side bonus the collector will be in a more optimal position on the passenger side of the vehicle and making plumbing the outlet into a muffler far easier and not so much of a tangled mess. Good-bye tuned exhaust system!!

According to the muffler shop this should not hurt horse-power much (maybe 1-2 hp) and unless I was racing then should not notice the difference. It's a bit tough to describe but over the weekend I will take before and after pictures and post them.
06/25/2005   Today I completely revamped the entire exhaust system. Since I had to dramatically redo the collector I also reconfigured and relocated both the front and back pipes so that they were more properly located to give me the desired results. I was able to use the slip-tube connections as well as a 2-into-1 junction that initiated the turn into the collector.

I started out with a 2" pipe and had the muffler shop expand one end to 3", I then ovaled it and pinched the middle so that the front slip-tube connections could go into it.

I needed the output from the collector to be located on the passenger side so swapping pipes around I was able to redirect the front pipes towards this side. Modifying the rear pipes so that they came out on the drivers side, combining into a single pipe, then swooping around to join back into the main collector. All this while maintaining clearance to the oil pan.

Here are a couple of 'before' and 'after' pictures:

The outlet will go between the jack shaft and the lower portion of the engine subframe. Next it will be a rather simple matter to put a muffler onto it, I will be probably be going with a 10" long spark arrester as the 18" one might not fit quite right. Will hold off on this decision until I start foaming/glassing the body and see what fits best.
06/27/2005 $45.95 Ordered solid steering rack mounts from Moss Motors, part #667-288.
06/28/2005   I have (finally) decided on going with a #530 chain instead of the #630 chain specified in the original plans. My rational is that these plans were originally designed when the #630 chain was the strongest available, but as I discovered after a lot of research it all boils down to tensile strength!

The #530 chain has less rotational mass, and it is used by racers worldwide. It has been reported that the less rotational mass also helps bump up the horsepower at the rear wheel as a result as well.

Today's O-ring and X-ring chains can be at least as strong, if not stronger than the original #630 chain, and. I have seen #530 chains as high as 10,600lbs! You still have to be careful in chain selection though and be sure not to cheap out and get the highest quality (ie: tensile strength) available.

There is an excellent discussion about General Chain & Sprockets FAQ that you might want to check out.

Here is a good chain and sprocket reference from Staniforths that I was pointed to, it helps to find alternate sprockets that fit your engine.
Month
12/2004
1/2005
2/2005
3/2005
4/2005
5/2005
6/2005
7/2005
8/2005
9/2005
10/2005
11/2005
Costs
$1238.00
380.00
218.50
1487.37
2115.97
445.33
321.94
636.39
(67.00)
103.00
0.00
12.00

Month
12/2005
1/2006
2/2006
3/2006
4/2006
5/2006
6/2006
7/2006
8/2006
9/2006
10/2006
11/2006
Costs
$501.38
555.70
648.26
315.90
356.84
410.00
479.65
187.93
1113.53
503.78
1445.80
83.60

Month
12/2006
1/2007
2/2007
3/2007
4/2007
5/2007
Costs
$763.86
119.85
199.10
288.66
119.40
239.00
Basic Project Done


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